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Post by Q on Mar 17, 2011 20:43:22 GMT -6
I had a thought pop into my head the other day. I'm not so much excited to try it out, but thinking about it has made me curious.
Would it be possible to pad a fiberglass rod and use it as a sort of blocking stick? It would be padded for safety, but not enough to hit, and would be used mostly for punch blocking and used as a sort of long handle to block the forearm like Rogue company does.
An issue I can think of with it would be classifying it for weapons check. There also wouldn't be any way to classify it on the field so someone might pick it up and swing it at someone.
Just thought I'd throw it up here for the purpose of discussing something hypothetical.
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Post by Khador Administrator on Mar 17, 2011 21:37:49 GMT -6
That sort of thing is not okay in my book.
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Post by Waffle Geezerson on Mar 17, 2011 22:06:27 GMT -6
I feel that at some point anviling would also come into play in this items legality
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Post by noodle on Mar 18, 2011 0:07:58 GMT -6
You mean something like a mini quarterstaff.
And if you do something like that then use it like a down (and I guess up) sword with a round and be one weird looking *insert derogatory expression*.
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Post by Ironside on Mar 18, 2011 14:34:24 GMT -6
I would say no. You're hanging onto something that looks vaguely like a weapon and is just padded like courtesy padding. Say you die and someone grabs it and then starts to crank people with it. On that premise alone, I would not allow something like that on our field.
Now, I think this is more of a Amptgard thing, but I have seen people make small punch shields and hold it with a mini quarterstaff to make kind of a manadu (I think they're called). Something like that could work out, given if it was padded up properly. I can't see it being too horridly effective, though.
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Post by noodle on Mar 18, 2011 23:39:36 GMT -6
The Amptgard styled middle madu are illegal in this sport.
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Post by Q on Mar 19, 2011 12:10:01 GMT -6
yeah, the other people picking it up and using it thing was my second biggest concern.
Although I will say, I've seen a fighter use a punch buckler that he made the handle longer than the buckler and built a dagger on it. I wonder if you could do something like that, but instead of a dagger, you'd just have a long, courtesy padded extension of the handle...
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Post by Kracken on Mar 19, 2011 22:23:08 GMT -6
Dude, it's called a javelin.
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Post by Ironside on Mar 20, 2011 2:42:40 GMT -6
The Amptgard styled middle madu are illegal in this sport. Why is that? You can hold a downsword in a strap shield. Why couldn't you hold a minimum quarterstaff and a punch shield?
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Post by Kracken on Mar 20, 2011 12:42:19 GMT -6
board.belegarth.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=36707Go there and read. Most of it is kinda dumb but there is this gem from Cyric: Quote: Quote: They are illegal becuase shield can't be weapons and vice versa Is there something that says this explicitly in the BoW? If there isn't, maybe there should be lrn2rulz. since you quoted most of this in your first post, it should have answered your own question. Quote: 2.2. Defensive Equipment is any item that gives combat advantage to its wielder by preventing Injury, and is unable to inflict damage on opponents. There are two types of Defensive Equipment - Shields and Armor. If you build it as a shield you intend to strike with, it is clearly illegal. If you build it as a weapon with a big hand guard it would have to conform to the double ended weapon rules, most notably: Quote: 1.4.6.2. Double-ended Weapons must have a minimum of 18 inches in length of padding covering each end in a cylindrical fashion. Both striking surfaces of this weapon must follow Class 3 Weapon standards for a Double-ended Weapon to be legal. Also, your hand guard would have to conform to this rule: Quote: 2.4. The minimum dimension on the face of a shield is 12 inches. and thus be under 12 inches face wise. If you came to my field and tried to argue that you weren't using that as a shield, i would toss your weapon. If it's bigger than 12 inches, it's trying to be a shield. your hand doesn't need 12 inches of handguard. Obviously, it would not be able to block arrows. Any arrow that would hit it would travel through accordingly. This has been done before, and not very successfully in a battlefield capacity. And attempts to cheese the rules will always fail. Finally, my personal favorite: Quote: 1.4. Creative interpretation of the rules to gain any advantage is discouraged.
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Post by Ironside on Mar 20, 2011 17:28:02 GMT -6
That all sounded to me like building a shield that you can do strikes with. Like the middle madu thing from Amptgard. What I just said isn't any different than holding a downsword.
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Post by Kracken on Mar 20, 2011 18:21:08 GMT -6
Ok let me rephrase that: It's silly and kinda dumb-looking. It might be a hoot to try out but then you have to deal with the fact that you're using a quarter staff, the single worst weapon in belegarth. Not only that but its a quarter staff you can only get half use out of. A. because it's short as hell and B. because you're only using one hand on it. QUARTERSTAFFS-ARE-GAY (PERIOD) If you want to do mid madu that bad do this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12632447
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Post by Q on Mar 20, 2011 20:56:17 GMT -6
Wow, ok, guess these kinda exercises are best kept to one's self.
I got people responding like I offened their religion or something.
And Kracken...
...lrn2hypothetical
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Post by Kracken on Mar 20, 2011 21:58:44 GMT -6
Just sayin' lol.
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Post by Kracken on Mar 20, 2011 21:59:06 GMT -6
Also african stick fighting looks badass.
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Post by Ironside on Mar 21, 2011 0:59:18 GMT -6
lol Seriously.
I'm not fully supporting quarterstaff use. Just saying that doing it like that, there's nothing illegal about it that I can see. Yes, I agree the quarterstaff sucks. But all of what I was saying was totally relevant to Quarian's question.
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Post by Khador Administrator on Mar 21, 2011 21:56:58 GMT -6
Alright, enough, I am going to break this down as how I see it. Would it be possible to pad a fiberglass rod and use it as a sort of blocking stick? It would be padded for safety, but not enough to hit, and would be used mostly for punch blocking and used as a sort of long handle to block the forearm like Rogue company does. So you're taking about a stick that is going to be used to block only? That is not okay because if you drop it, people are going to pick it up and use it as a weapon. Now two questions to ask you: Why not just have another sword to begin with? And why not just have a shield? I fail to see any advantage of this, and I can only see disadvantages. Even if you are just single blue, there's an advantage to that: You become very proficient with just single blues. But with this stick, you become dependent on it to block (like anyone who uses sword n board all the time such as myself) so you are limiting yourself down and fight not as good as you should when do end up in single blue situations. Although I will say, I've seen a fighter use a punch buckler that he made the handle longer than the buckler and built a dagger on it. I wonder if you could do something like that, but instead of a dagger, you'd just have a long, courtesy padded extension of the handle... If my mental image is serving me right then this should have not been allowed. This should have fell under the "spikes for decorative purposes only" rule. BTW please don't use the word gay in a derogatory sense next time guys.
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Post by Q on Mar 22, 2011 14:27:41 GMT -6
Kracken: lulz brooder: I see what your saying about the disadvantage. The idea cropped up when I was making a dagger and only had the first layer on. Also, I just thought the word "shield stick" was pretty funny.
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Post by Kracken on Mar 22, 2011 23:27:35 GMT -6
Yeah sorry about that. My opinion on quarter staffs is similar to Castro's opinion of minimum wage.
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