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Post by Lloyd on Nov 14, 2010 0:14:49 GMT -6
Yeah, I just talked to Woozle (Mary) and yeah, she never we had dues. Honestly, that should have been aware of before....all this stuff....a voting process, etc, should have been figured out and decided upon who it was going to go down before we jumped into it. That and making things like this aware to the noobies. (insert motivational poster "Woozle :Yeah, she never we had dues") I loathe your grammar.
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Post by Wren(nen) on Nov 14, 2010 0:31:01 GMT -6
Sorry, she never KNEW we had dues. She was never told about them. The point of it was that we're failing on informing newbies about stuff.
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Post by Tenyr Mighty Pirate on Nov 14, 2010 0:37:48 GMT -6
Sorry, she never KNEW we had dues. She was never told about them. The point of it was that we're failing on informing newbies about stuff. Kara, you know Newbies is a derogatory term, because you keep throwing it around. Well I don't know how they don't know about dues, I've heard people talk about it all the time.
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Post by Wren(nen) on Nov 14, 2010 0:44:37 GMT -6
Whatever. Fine I won't say that anymore either then. Maybe I just shouldn't say anything any more cause seems like every time I do someone just bashes me. Fucking sick of it. It's been in my personal life, now here too. Fucking sick of it.
Any who, I asked Mary if she knew that we had realm dues and she said that she didn't and then I told her that if you hadn't paid dues you couldn't vote, which she also of course didn't know and wish she would have cause she was looking forward to voting if she could. We had a nice chat about the whole thing.
People can talk about shit around people, doesn't mean they're listening or paying attention to it. A lot of talk goes on on the field, so it would be easy for the people on the sides to miss. Or it happens outside of practice and not everyone hangs out outside of practice. Hell, Swerv didn't even seem to know that we were having this election or whatever the hell you want to call it or at least who was running for what until we talked online yesterday and he's on here regularly. People sometimes just miss things.
Again, since once again I have to justify myself, the point was that we need to make the rules and whatnot available and known to everyone ahead of time.
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Post by Khador Administrator on Nov 14, 2010 1:19:03 GMT -6
Well this is fun. Calm down. We'll get this straighten out.
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Post by Wren(nen) on Nov 14, 2010 2:14:28 GMT -6
Apologies for last post. I've been under a lot of stress and frustration for a while now and more things keep adding to the mix. It was just my personal family live but now it seems to be crossing over into other areas.
So I'm just going to lay this all out, right here, right now so I don't end up doing something stupid.
Honestly, it seems we just jumped blindingly into this election thing. We never discussed who was allowed to or not to vote ahead of time or how we were going to about doing the actual voting. Also, we never even decided when we going to have the actual voting. So many idea are being tossed around and most of them seem to just being thrown aside without much consideration. So PLEASE, before throwing stuff out, please read and consider this: -Look at the Constitution (if you can find it) as it is posted on the thread on here. I have a printed out copy that I'm looking at right now. It was posted on July 3rd, 2009 and was last modified on July 4th, 2009. The last comments on that thread, I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, was made in August 2009...and was still discussing things to be added to the Constitution. The Constitution was never finished or voted on or approved by the realm...I've been told this my several people besides noting that from reading the thread. -"Article 6.03: Insert process on how works." That as far as that went. -Article 7 in it's entirety....did this ever happen? Again, as far I've been told and witnessed, it has not. So technically, we have no Constitution to actually follow. -I've noted at least 10 things that we do not follow within the draft of the Constitution. -As Ironside pointed out to me last night: Article 4.13....last sentence "Kommander (which was never changed to Kommandant, but same thing so, just wanted to make clear that Kommander=Kommandant) shall also record all votes." Honestly, that's about the most said of how the actually voting process is supposed to take place. -"Article 6: Voting: 6.01 Each member shall have one (1) vote. 6.02 There shall be no absentee or proxy voting with the respect to any matter other than the nomination and selection of officers. 6.03 Insert process of how voting works." Again, this wasn't finished. -Article 3: Membership "3.02: Basic membership in the realm is determined by attendance to no less than 8 Khador sanctioned practices per year, must meet BMCS [whatever that is] minimum-garb standard, must have a name to use within BMCS, and must (have) signed a waiver." (Does everyone who came in this year for fighting have a waiver with their name on it? This should be for non fighters too, just in case.) "3.04: Benefits for Basic membership within Khador include having a Khador belt flag to denote Sergeant rank, the right to use the symbol of Khador, and rights to use any type of weapon that is BMCS legal." (I've been denied wearing the Khador symbol, even upon asking permission to. Also, yeah, how many of us actually have belt flags? Personally, I like the idea of having to earn your belt flag by doing more than having garb, a name, and coming to at least 8 practices.) 3.06:Paid members shall receive the title of Kovnik." (So if I give Ironside $5 at practice, according to this, not only can I then vote, but I'll also be a Kovnik too! Sweet! Yeah, no stupid. Again, this is something that should be earned.)
Point of this. We don't follow really anything of this draft of a Constitution that severely needs work. I'm not saying that we should call off or postpone the elections...well, okay, maybe postpone them for a little while so that we can figure out how we're going to do this and have more than two people approve of it. Suddenly Brooder is coming in and actually getting "involved" with Khador stuff and people are just going with what he says when normally, he has nothing to do with us. He doesn't come to our practices, didn't come to our mini event this event, he doesn't even wear our colors or our symbol. No offense, but he really has nothing to do with us until things like this come up and then it's oh, let's do what Brooder says. That's part of what is getting people upset over this. We're a realm, we're a club, we're kind of like a little family, we're supposed to agree on things, discuss things, etc, before they happen. Seems this has failed to happen as of recent. There's like 50 ideas being thrown in the ring but seems very few are even being considered. Simple ideas were tossed out, people liked them, and then someone said, Oh no, this says we need to do it this way...some of which I have no idea where it came from...and one other person said, okay, that's what we're doing and seems like it was done. No one seems to know what's going on or when elections are happening or anything. Honestly, we need time to figure this out.
Another point I would like to make is that this election is basically resulting in the future of our realm. So, as Mary and I discussed, it should be open to more than just 13 people....some of which you know aren't going to vote, no offense to those people. I've been able to speak at meetings before. Hell, I've voted at meetings before. Yes, I forgot to pay. I really have no excuse besides forgetting and rarely carrying cash on me cause come one, who actually cares cash on them anymore since we have those handy things called debit and credit cards? And may I note, that Lloyd, who is up up re-election hasn't even paid dues. He can't even vote for himself? That's not even the big deal with it. Honestly, all this yelling at each other has killed the "joy" of voting in this election for me which is kind of sad cause I love Khador. Honestly, (not trying to create sympathy or pity or any of that shit, this is honest to god, from my heart here) Khador is my life no a days. All I do during the week is job hunting, trying to figure out shit for going back to school or when I was in school and working, my weeks were just that...working and school. But then there's Sunday. The one day of happiness I have to look forward to each week. The one day I get to get out, see my friends, have fun, have fun with my friends, and forget all the stress and shit of the week. Just be happy with my friends and have fun. I seriously see Khador as a little family. I've had a lot of people walk out on throughout my life, as I'm sure everyone has, and this is the first place, the first time I feel like I actually truly belong somewhere, that I actually fit in, that I'm actually wanted. You guys are the group of friends I've bee searching for my entire life. Yeah, I've known a lot of you you for years, some of have been really good friends for years, but a lot of you have just become that over this past year, I've meet a lot of you just over this past year. I've gotten to know most of you just in the past year or so, but look at how well we've gotten along, how we all click. For the first time, I actually, finally, feel accepted just the way I am, for my good qualities and my flaws. "You like me, you really like me". So with that said, I just want what's best for Khador, what's best for all of us as a group and in order to get that decided, we need to figure a few things first, such as this voting process and getting an actual Constitution.
Also with that said, I just want to add one more thing. Part of my reason for my episode in the earlier post is that, again, I think of this as a family and whatnot...oddly kind of like the family I never had where we actually are friends who care a about each other and all that jazz...but yeah, lately, I haven't felt....appreciated or acknowledged or something like that. It's just so frustrating that I've been around for all these years and I have nothing to show for it. All I have is saying that I'm one of the original members and the 3rd longest member that's still active in the sport and blah blah. It's kind of cool to say that but at the same, what do I have to show for it, what do I actually do? I have no title, no rank, hell I can't even wear our symbol. I love Khador and I'm proud to be apart of the realm. I want to show it! Yes, I don't fight yet, but I'm finally actually working on it. I'm starting to work out so I can get back into shape. My health is FINALLY under control so that I can start doing that. I haven't had the money to go get a bow or arrow kits, but we're working on that (Thanks Ironside!). I have garb and I'm trying to work on getting more and actual not store bought garb. But yeah, getting off track, sorry. Yeah, I like the idea of having to earn belt flags and ranks and stuff, but yeah...I feel like I need something more. Might just be that my overall life is currently in the suck tank and isn't going anywhere and that I feel like I need something in that too, but yeah, I don't know. I want to be more than just Kara the girl who takes pictures...and provides venison. I want to feel like I'm actually doing something within the realm.
Finally, yes, this is the last thing and then my insanely long post (thank you to anyone who actually reads the entire thing) will be done. I know a lot of you guys joke when you bash things I post, ideas I have, questions I have, give me negative karma, point out and make fun of me when I forgot to put a word in a sentence or something like, etc. but sometimes, those things really get to me. I don't always realize that I make those mistakes when I type. I type faster than my brain can keep up. I don't want to use it as an excuse but ever since I went to the ER by brain doesn't quite function like it used to which can make things a real pain. I hate that sometimes I can't remember who to spell words that I know I actually know how to spell or think I wrote or typed a word when I haven't. Being reminded of that in a negative way doesn't help matters. You can point it out, actually I usually like that, but please, do it nicely. I don't always realize these things and then sometimes I question myself and stuff and I hate it. And yeah, constant negativity will get anyone down eventually.
So there you go. Just some things to think about and consider. That's all that I ask.
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Lloyd
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Post by Lloyd on Nov 14, 2010 6:53:23 GMT -6
tl;dr
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Lloyd
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Post by Lloyd on Nov 14, 2010 7:01:29 GMT -6
Also everybody knows i own a 5 dollar bill. If you want to keep me out on a technicality that is fine by me.
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Post by ladyrenellofgilead on Nov 14, 2010 9:12:44 GMT -6
I am going to post one last time on this subject then I am done with this crap. Kara, I appreciate your post and I apologize if this sounds harsh to you. It is not intended to be anything directed toward you at all.
Belegarth Medieval Combat Society has some basic rules for realms to be recognized for speaking rights and possible voting rights.
Those rules include at least 10 regular attendees who are paid members. They expect Belegarth minimum garb which is like sweatpants with no logos, etc. and a shirt with no collar or buttons and and no logos. They expect us to have a written Constitution and elections of officers on a regular basis. This is what we need to do in order to have our realm recognized.
People not knowing about dues is because they are lazy or just not paying attention. It has been announced loudly on the sidelines and out on the field more than once. I am certain of this. There is no excuse for not paying your dues except for just not paying attention to it or you just forgot. Technically, if you are not paid, you should not be able to run for office or vote in the election. I am not making the rules just to be clear here. I am merely pointing out what should be obvious to everyone. If this is going to cause so much drama that people are getting all in an uproar, I just do not see how we can ever progress as a realm. People need to grow up, take responsibility for their actions or lack thereof and move on with this. We ARE all adults here I believe. Let's act like it please!!
Stepping off soap box now.
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Post by Khador Administrator on Nov 14, 2010 12:54:19 GMT -6
Honestly, it seems we just jumped blindingly into this election thing. Not really. We never discussed who was allowed to or not to vote ahead of time or how we were going to about doing the actual voting. Also not really. Also, we never even decided when we going to have the actual voting. Also also not really. So many idea are being tossed around and most of them seem to just being thrown aside without much consideration. Also also also not really. -Look at the Constitution (if you can find it) as it is posted on the thread on here. I have a printed out copy that I'm looking at right now. It was posted on July 3rd, 2009 and was last modified on July 4th, 2009. The last comments on that thread, I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, was made in August 2009...and was still discussing things to be added to the Constitution. The Constitution was never finished or voted on or approved by the realm...I've been told this my several people besides noting that from reading the thread. I'm glad you brought that up. It will be corrected shortly. From my understanding, the general concences is that we generally agreed with it. But if something needs to be ironed out it will be ironed out. So, as Mary and I discussed, it should be open to more than just 13 people Valid point. If anyone didn't know about paid membership and/or has not paid and would like to vote and/or know of anyone would like to vote, please shoot me a PM asap. Also Kara I'd recommend that you take a nice deep breath, calm down, and rationally think and stay relevant to the topic before your next post. Keep your posts short n' sweet like a rice crispy treat, so that way you woudn't get "tl;dr" comments.
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Post by ladyrenellofgilead on Nov 14, 2010 13:39:18 GMT -6
Brooder, according to what the guidelines for being eligible for speaking rights ANd what Kracken has stated as well, you need to be a paid member to be able to vote. With that being said. You are not eligible to vote either. The Constitution at this point, is irrelevant to the election. What is being followed for the election really is the Belegarth guideline for speaking rights. If not a paid member cannot vote. Brooder this would include you.
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Post by noodle on Nov 14, 2010 18:02:04 GMT -6
Now I know that I'm a new, and not even a part a Khador but I read everything and just kinda want to throw my 2 cents in.
Umm why has this vote not taken place, you have a list of voters (paid members), a neutral/trusted party, Wilhelm or Fissi, and a lot different ways of handling the ballot process, your forms, facebook, Email, calling people etc.
And yes, paid members should be the only ones that vote, it makes sense, it gives a good reason to become a paid member (which helps the realm). It may not be entirely perfect but tbh if a majority of the WORLD'S civilized nations goes by the system of if you want to vote, you need to pay taxes, then I guess it must work to some degree.
If it's your current constitution that's stopping you, then it need changes (which I know you're going to do) but it shouldn't be holding you back. If something is broken and illogical then don't follow it and think for your selves for the time being so you can at least get elected officials, then you can have an organized group to make changes to your constitution.
If it's not any of those thing then please, someone step up and get this done, it started simple, got annoying, and it's now getting to the point of really stupid.
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Post by Waffle Geezerson on Nov 14, 2010 18:16:19 GMT -6
Now I know that I'm a new, and not even a part a Khador but I read everything and just kinda want to throw my 2 cents in. Umm why has this vote not taken place, you have a list of voters (paid members), a neutral/trusted party, Wilhelm or Fissi, and a lot different ways of handling the ballot process, your forms, facebook, Email, calling people etc. And yes, paid members should be the only ones that vote, it makes sense, it gives a good reason to become a paid member (which helps the realm). It may not be entirely perfect but tbh if a majority of the WORLD'S civilized nations goes by the system of if you want to vote, you need to pay taxes, then I guess it must work to some degree. If it's your current constitution that's stopping you, then it need changes (which I know you're going to do) but it shouldn't be holding you back. If something is broken and illogical then don't follow it and think for your selves for the time being so you can at least get elected officials, then you can have an organized group to make changes to your constitution. If it's not any of those thing then please, someone step up and get this done, it started simple, got annoying, and it's now getting to the point of really stupid. Well Said
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Post by Ironside on Nov 14, 2010 18:27:10 GMT -6
Alright, this is dumb. I'm stepping in and taking this over, because this is getting entirely too complicated. We are going with the original freaking plan.
Voting will be done next sunday at 3pm at Aldeen Park. We'll be doing it by silent ballet. We'll go out to dinner to celebrate the end of the season.
If you cannot make it, contact Wren via PM on the boards with your votes. Votes will be due by Sunday the 28th. The winners will be announced the following monday.
The following people are the ONLY people allowed to vote, because they are the ONLY people who have paid dues this year.
Tenyr Togot Bluff Quarian Saxivarus Drakken Waffle Swerv Wilhelm Froz Kracken Draidel Renell Ironside
Please someone tell me why I wasn't on the list for dues paid. I paid my 5 a couple weeks beforew Bearblast.
If any members other than the ones listed here tries to cast a vote, they will be ignored.
Since officers are required to pay dues, it seems Quarian will be our new Spreme Kommandant by default. Congratulations, Quarian!
It's done, it's done, it's done. I'll have ballots and a sealed ballot box out there sunday.
To remind:
Premier
Ironside Kracken
Kommandant
Renell Waffle
See you guys Sunday.
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Post by Khador Administrator on Nov 14, 2010 19:09:09 GMT -6
Alright, Kracken and I talked about this and we decided that the best rout is to delay the election until spring, most likely around Spring Wars time. In the meantime, we should finalize the realm constitution, which includes how the election process works. I'll have that updated here shortly for all you to critique later tonight. Please feel free to voice your opinion on anything. For the realm con, I'm just going to go with general conscientious. Edit: It is up now. khador.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=116I'm going to lock this thread. I think we've beaten the election thing into submission. Sorry, but I am done with it and I think it should be postponed. Any further talk regarding the realm constitution please go to that thread. Edit edit: I've actually read the few posts that are above me. I don't mean to go over Ironsides head, but I am going to go over Ironside's head. I disagree with him on many, many fronts. If you disagree with how the election process is suppose to go as currently purposed by the realm con, then please go debate it there.
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