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Post by Khador Administrator on Nov 11, 2010 22:45:25 GMT -6
Alright, then tomorrow I'll call Jimmy and asks how Dunharrow does their votes.
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Post by ladyrenellofgilead on Nov 11, 2010 23:00:00 GMT -6
I can tell you how Dunharrow does their votes. They do them by majority vote between the board and practice participation. They send the votes on the Dunharrow forum by anonymous poll or by ballot at practice. They tally them up between the two. That is how they have always done in the past anyway. Don't see why they would have changed this in the last few years......both these methods would be anonymous of course. And they trust that no one cheats on them.
Originally they only allowed voting to be done by balloting at practices by paid members but that was because Murdock did not have internet.
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Post by Wilhelm on Nov 11, 2010 23:20:30 GMT -6
question How do you as the officers both candidate and component intend to raise money for loaner gear?
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Post by Khador Administrator on Nov 11, 2010 23:24:04 GMT -6
They do it by electronic posts now on the national boards. Only paid members can vote. I like their method, and I think we should do likewise. I fail to see any drama that could arise. And if there is, people should get over themselves. I believe within the con only paid members can vote anyways.
"• 3.08 Benefits of Paid membership include all benefits listed for Basic membership, along with a Khador belt flag that denotes Konvik rank, the right to speak at meetings and the right to vote at meetings."
There, only paid members can vote. Kracken, please give me a list of those who've paid. If you want to pay, talk to Kracken. Then let's have voting start next Sunday and last two weeks why not, so that way people have time to pay for membership. There will be a open and public thread on who people vote for. Then you post who you want to vote for. Fuck drama, fuck hurt feelings, because that isn't going to happen if you man up. Boom. Easy, simple, done.
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Post by Frozgaar on Nov 12, 2010 1:07:32 GMT -6
I'm cool with only paid members voting. It makes sense that only the members with enough interest in the realm to pay the fee get the right to vote.
I still must object to public voting. As I said before, I don't care if people know who I voted for, nor do I care who everyone else votes for. I'm sure the same goes for most of the others. I agree, fuck drama and hurt feelings. But the only way to avoid those things for certain is an anonymous vote. It's easy to tell people to man up, but that doesn't mean they will.
I even have an idea for how to easily make this work.
1. We make a list of all the paid members who plan on voting and keep note of the number of people.
2. Use a online poll website such as snappoll.com and make a poll for each position, with both candidates for the position on each one. We can make it so each person can only vote once.
3. Send the links of the polls privately to each person via facebook or pm on the boards. Everyone votes.
4. We keep an eye on the total votes and once each poll has reached the amount of votes equal to the number of people counted at the beginning we will know the winners of the election while retaining anonymity.
I have no problem setting this up for us if nobody else wants to.
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Post by ladyrenellofgilead on Nov 12, 2010 2:32:48 GMT -6
Brooder, they may do it the national boards now but I am willing to bet you the rule is still they will have had to paid dues for year prior to elections being up for that year. That is, they would have had to pay dues for the year before nominations were even made.
Check with Jimmy if you would like for confirmation but that is how it always has been done and would be the most fair way to do it now.
Also, point of order, we do not technically have a ratified Constitution in place. We have not accepted a Constitution.
I believe that is something being voted on as well. Kind of hard to change something being voted on so that we can make the voting easier before we have even accepted it as our Constitution to begin with.
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Post by Kracken on Nov 12, 2010 6:48:38 GMT -6
People paid up this season: khador.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=aboutthisboard&action=display&thread=351Would it be any easier to just make another private thread on our boards? I thought about throwing this idea out but it seemed overly complicated and unnecessary. Seeing as how this isn't going away, how hard would it be to set up a new private thread like the officer's thread and give all the paid up members the password. Then we can just change the password every year. And finally going into more what I will continue doing as realm leader: Continue -staying up to date with build tech. - Staying up with rule changes. - Keeping a cool and level head dealing with cheaters and goofy people. - Hearing out complaints from everyone, including people that have been banned. - Getting everyone's input before drawing conclusions. - Being the last one out at practices and events to make sure our sites are cleaned up. - Making sure anyone that wants to attend an event, does. Things I plan on doing. - Organizing more demo days; more with cub scouts and other youth groups, college fairs and cons. - Organize flier handouts around town. - Try to organize a Freeport practice again. - Continue looking for an indoor practice in Rockford. As for raising money I would continue hosting outside belegarth events to bring in new people/raise money. Nerf Wars, parties with cover, movie nights, LAN parties, etc.
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Post by Wren(nen) on Nov 12, 2010 14:28:17 GMT -6
I'm up for taking charge of the vote, as Renell suggested.
Not so in favor of the only paid members thing. Note, several people up for elections aren't on the list of having paid. Yes, it is only $5 but $5 is a days worth of food for some people now-a-days. And $10 says a lot of people just forgot about paying them when they had money (like me!) or just plain forgot...or perhaps didn't know. Honestly, that's small list when compared to all of our members. Adding to that, according to the never approved Constitution, every paid member should have a belt flag, without going through a trial...that also hasn't happened so. Again, the Con. was never approved and we apparently don't follow parts of it anyways, so why suddenly start now? Looking over the list, there some people on there who aren't going to vote and there's a lot of people not on there in general and a lot of people who should vote.
And again, I'm confused....Swerv, aren't you Numernor? Awesome that you gave us money, but confused on why. Just looking for clarification.
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Post by ladyrenellofgilead on Nov 12, 2010 16:58:42 GMT -6
Well know the realm dues list is incorrect by at least one person...ME...I paid to Ironside quite some time ago.....please double check that list and the last update...thank you VERY much and also thank you VERY much for double checking said list prior to ASSUMING some of those up for nomination have not paid their dues......YOU ARE VERY WELCOME!!
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Post by Kracken on Nov 12, 2010 19:01:14 GMT -6
I'm up for taking charge of the vote, as Renell suggested. Not so in favor of the only paid members thing. Note, several people up for elections aren't on the list of having paid. Yes, it is only $5 but $5 is a days worth of food for some people now-a-days. And $10 says a lot of people just forgot about paying them when they had money (like me!) or just plain forgot...or perhaps didn't know. Honestly, that's small list when compared to all of our members. Adding to that, according to the never approved Constitution, every paid member should have a belt flag, without going through a trial...that also hasn't happened so. Again, the Con. was never approved and we apparently don't follow parts of it anyways, so why suddenly start now? Looking over the list, there some people on there who aren't going to vote and there's a lot of people not on there in general and a lot of people who should vote. quote] Soon as Ironside emails me I'll update the list. As for the paid member part. That's none of anyone's problem but your own. Paid members vote and run, thats just how it is. Belt flags are only held up because no one sews. This is generating a lot more drama than it should. This is retarded.
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Post by Wren(nen) on Nov 12, 2010 23:01:05 GMT -6
Ironside doesn't have internet anymore, remember. Better call him about that.
It still takes out people from the vote. Again, do all the noobies even know about the vote?
We talked about Renell making belt flags last week.
Just saying, a big vote like this should be open to everyone. Everyone's allowed to come to meetings, and I've voted on stuff before at meetings without having paid dues. Just saying, why suddenly start enforcing "rules" that were never really rules to begin with.
On that note, does Khador takes checks?
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Post by Kracken on Nov 12, 2010 23:39:32 GMT -6
We already talked this to death more than a year and a half ago. It was never up to debate who gets to vote. It's ALWAYS been that paid members get to vote. A lot has changed as far as how we do titles but what hasn't changed is that if you're not paid up, YOU CAN'T VOTE. If you're just some goober that hasn't, or wont, pay realm dues then that vote doesn't count for shit anyway. About the check, talk to ironside.
Now, two days off from the vote and we're still bitching this back and forth. Time to get it done. 1. How hard would it be to set up another private thread just for paid member? 2. Can anyone get it done before sunday? if that's not happening: 3. I would call that we get someone completely impartial to collect the votes via facebook. By completely impartial I mean someone outside the realm and on good terms with everyone in the realm, and without any personal care about the outcome. By that I mean I'd like to ask Fissi to do it. All I need is Ironside's and Lloyd's ok and we can get this rolling.
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Post by Wilhelm on Nov 12, 2010 23:47:02 GMT -6
I can collect the the votes. I do not mind counting them and posting them. also it can be done on this broad with ease.
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Post by Lloyd on Nov 13, 2010 4:33:12 GMT -6
Approved.
Edit: Wilhelm or Fissi or whomever is fine with me.
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Post by ladyrenellofgilead on Nov 13, 2010 6:49:28 GMT -6
Not trying to cause drama. I am just trying to make sure that if you are going to run a realm, that it is done uniformly. There needs to be order to things and it needs to be consistent. If Belegarth War Council cannot see that the realm will not advance. The ONLY reason I have said anything about anything regarding the voting here is to maintain consistency NOT to create problems.
Wren, for belt flags issue, I am making belt flags for newbies only. I will not be able to make the belt flags of the type the Fissi has and as far as I know would like to continue to make. Those are of completely different caliber Mine would be only once a member has paid dues; Bam here ya go simple belt flag with simple Khador symbol to show you belong....that is all.
Lastly, internet takes all the personality from issues so often when putting things on the board in simple text can make one look like a total B#$@h. I am not necessarily Miss Congeniality but I am also not trying to rain on anyone's parade.
It is just when I see some of the inconsistencies that I know will be issues with War Council, I am going to say something. I want this Realm to SUCCEED!! I want this Realm to gain speaking rights and eventually voting rights on War Council!!
That is all.
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Post by ladyrenellofgilead on Nov 13, 2010 9:55:40 GMT -6
talked with Ironside who confirmed total members paid is thirteen. really dont see any need or sense to making a bunch of internet crap to vote. We vote for national election by ballot why the hell do we think we cant do that here? All we need are thirteen ballots. Those thirteen members mark an X next to the name of candidate they want for each position put in a box. Votes are counted positions are filled. Tad Dah!! Done!!! All that is needed are the ballots which I can type up and print out ane then just a box or basket to have everyone place them once done then have impartial person count the votes. Simple as can be. No drama. No mess no fuss.
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Post by Kracken on Nov 13, 2010 13:25:49 GMT -6
Except that it's going to be balls cold and only 3 or four people will be there.
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Post by Wren(nen) on Nov 13, 2010 18:04:20 GMT -6
Actually that wouldn't be 13 cause Wilhelm is on the list of paid and apparently he's not voting or something from what I picked up. I'd still be willing to count ballots and do the internet getting ahold of people who won't/aren't going to be at practice. Gives me at least something I can do for the realm.
Technically if we're going by the never approved Constitution, as Ironside pointed out to me last night: Article 4.13: ends with Kommandant shall record all votes. But then it also says that if you pay dues, you're automatically a Kovnik in Article 3.06. Not trying to be a bitch or cause drama, just pointing out some things that were made aware to me.
Sorry about the mix up with the flags.
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Post by Wren(nen) on Nov 13, 2010 21:05:28 GMT -6
Yeah, I just talked to Woozle (Mary) and yeah, she never we had dues.
Honestly, that should have been aware of before....all this stuff....a voting process, etc, should have been figured out and decided upon who it was going to go down before we jumped into it. That and making things like this aware to the noobies.
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Post by Wilhelm on Nov 14, 2010 0:13:09 GMT -6
first off what are you trying to say Allen Wern.... Get to the point.. as for being made a ware of dues you are correct all new member should be told about it. Some thing that should be put forth in our "Please click here first if you are new to this board". if that meets with approval? or just open your eyes and look at the top of this thread "General Foam Fighting Related Board"
The money for dues is for weapon up keep for the realm gear.
Second that still does not change the fact of who is eligible to vote on this issue this year. we have a con that I believe we have been using.
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